LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
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Started on 2005-10-29
LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: morgunjp (morgunjp@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-10-29 00:01:33 UTC
LbNA counts our finds for us, but the count is frequently wrong. It
does not count Hitchhikers, unlisted boxes, or deleted boxes. If we
had a "correct the count" counter somewhere we could scroll down to
the number of boxes to add and, our count would be corrected.
I could post a "Mystery box series" with 99 boxes (I suppose) that
could be used for this; but everyone who used it would mess up their
mystery box count. It would also ruin my "boxes placed" count.
I am aware that boxers with 250 plus finds would not find this
useful, but it would be great for most of us, who have "normal"
numbers of finds.
The new counter would be like the "Mystery Box" counter, but would
be, for example, a "Correct the Count" counter. If we wanted to get
fancy, we could have a separate one for Hitchhikers, etc. Another
way to get fancy would be to have a counter for boxes that were
placed and then deleted, to correct our "Placed" count (it could also
correct for boxes listed with a "-1" number of boxes).
What does everyone think?
Morgun
Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: oldhounder (oldhounder@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-10-29 11:56:25 UTC
I am a counter. I wish that the LbNA counting mechanism would allow us
to record and count unlisted boxes, as does Atlasquest.
While I keep my "pencil" count as my official count, I find
record-keeping on the web very useful because it allows searching
according to different criteria such as date found, name of planter,
geographical location, etc. It also enables looking up Found boxes on
the web so that if one lives in Toledo but happens to be in Seattle,
the records are available.
What would be really great is to have a counting system that allows
the finders to tailor their counts. For example, some would like to
count hitchhikers as Finds. I don't; I count them separately, but, if
someone wished to include hitchhikers in their Find counts, they
should be able to do so.
Technically, allowing user-tailoring would be possible via
check-boxes, radio buttons, and text boxes. The issue probably would
be where in the list of priorities writing the program would come for
the volunteer webmasters; who determines those priorities; how much
time is involved; and whether or not the webmasters have the
programming skills and tools required. The issue should NOT be
whether counting is good, moral, or healthy. LbNA's stance would well
be allowing different strokes for different folks and letting the user
determine how they want to be stroked.
oldhounder
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "morgunjp" wrote:
>
>
> LbNA counts our finds for us, but the count is frequently wrong. It
> does not count Hitchhikers, unlisted boxes, or deleted boxes. If we
> had a "correct the count" counter somewhere we could scroll down to
> the number of boxes to add and, our count would be corrected.
>
> I could post a "Mystery box series" with 99 boxes (I suppose) that
> could be used for this; but everyone who used it would mess up their
> mystery box count. It would also ruin my "boxes placed" count.
>
> I am aware that boxers with 250 plus finds would not find this
> useful, but it would be great for most of us, who have "normal"
> numbers of finds.
>
> The new counter would be like the "Mystery Box" counter, but would
> be, for example, a "Correct the Count" counter. If we wanted to get
> fancy, we could have a separate one for Hitchhikers, etc. Another
> way to get fancy would be to have a counter for boxes that were
> placed and then deleted, to correct our "Placed" count (it could also
> correct for boxes listed with a "-1" number of boxes).
>
> What does everyone think?
>
> Morgun
>
to record and count unlisted boxes, as does Atlasquest.
While I keep my "pencil" count as my official count, I find
record-keeping on the web very useful because it allows searching
according to different criteria such as date found, name of planter,
geographical location, etc. It also enables looking up Found boxes on
the web so that if one lives in Toledo but happens to be in Seattle,
the records are available.
What would be really great is to have a counting system that allows
the finders to tailor their counts. For example, some would like to
count hitchhikers as Finds. I don't; I count them separately, but, if
someone wished to include hitchhikers in their Find counts, they
should be able to do so.
Technically, allowing user-tailoring would be possible via
check-boxes, radio buttons, and text boxes. The issue probably would
be where in the list of priorities writing the program would come for
the volunteer webmasters; who determines those priorities; how much
time is involved; and whether or not the webmasters have the
programming skills and tools required. The issue should NOT be
whether counting is good, moral, or healthy. LbNA's stance would well
be allowing different strokes for different folks and letting the user
determine how they want to be stroked.
oldhounder
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "morgunjp"
>
>
> LbNA counts our finds for us, but the count is frequently wrong. It
> does not count Hitchhikers, unlisted boxes, or deleted boxes. If we
> had a "correct the count" counter somewhere we could scroll down to
> the number of boxes to add and, our count would be corrected.
>
> I could post a "Mystery box series" with 99 boxes (I suppose) that
> could be used for this; but everyone who used it would mess up their
> mystery box count. It would also ruin my "boxes placed" count.
>
> I am aware that boxers with 250 plus finds would not find this
> useful, but it would be great for most of us, who have "normal"
> numbers of finds.
>
> The new counter would be like the "Mystery Box" counter, but would
> be, for example, a "Correct the Count" counter. If we wanted to get
> fancy, we could have a separate one for Hitchhikers, etc. Another
> way to get fancy would be to have a counter for boxes that were
> placed and then deleted, to correct our "Placed" count (it could also
> correct for boxes listed with a "-1" number of boxes).
>
> What does everyone think?
>
> Morgun
>
RE: [LbNA] LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Mosey (PonyExpressMail@comcast.net) |
Date: 2005-10-29 07:04:58 UTC-05:00
Well..........since you requested opinions..........I'll opine.........
yuck! yuck! yuck!
Ever heard of a pencil and paper? Or just using your own computer? Or just
number each stamp in your logbook/journal/scrapbook?
I do count my finds in a way. But only because I list them in a Word
document on my own computer so that I know which ones I've already found and
which ones I haven't yet found. So when I'm listing them, I do list them as
1. 2. 3. 4. etc. I type the name of the box, and the county and state that
I found it in, and the date that I found it. This is strictly because,
since the blessed event of menopause began, my memory is rather shot at
times and I don't want to traipse after the same box three times, find it,
and say "oh yeah! I remember here before." :-)
(Doesn't the LbNA website counting become a problem anyway sometimes with a
"series" of boxes? Many people place a series but then only put a logbook
in the last box. According to what I was told, and maybe that's wrong, I
dunno, it's only a "Find" if the box has a logbook. Thus a series of 6
boxes with only 1 logbook at the end, only counts as 1 "Find", not six. Or
is a person able to list only 1 Find even if LbNA shows it as six boxes?)
But the whole idea of people getting into such a tither and lather about
numbers is just a total turnoff to me. One of the things I really liked
about the LbNA website when I first found it a few years ago was it's
simplicity.
To each his own I guess. But you asked for opinions. That's mine.
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of morgunjp
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 7:02 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
LbNA counts our finds for us, but the count is frequently wrong. It
does not count Hitchhikers, unlisted boxes, or deleted boxes. If we
had a "correct the count" counter somewhere we could scroll down to
the number of boxes to add and, our count would be corrected.
I could post a "Mystery box series" with 99 boxes (I suppose) that
could be used for this; but everyone who used it would mess up their
mystery box count. It would also ruin my "boxes placed" count.
I am aware that boxers with 250 plus finds would not find this
useful, but it would be great for most of us, who have "normal"
numbers of finds.
The new counter would be like the "Mystery Box" counter, but would
be, for example, a "Correct the Count" counter. If we wanted to get
fancy, we could have a separate one for Hitchhikers, etc. Another
way to get fancy would be to have a counter for boxes that were
placed and then deleted, to correct our "Placed" count (it could also
correct for boxes listed with a "-1" number of boxes).
What does everyone think?
Morgun
yuck! yuck! yuck!
Ever heard of a pencil and paper? Or just using your own computer? Or just
number each stamp in your logbook/journal/scrapbook?
I do count my finds in a way. But only because I list them in a Word
document on my own computer so that I know which ones I've already found and
which ones I haven't yet found. So when I'm listing them, I do list them as
1. 2. 3. 4. etc. I type the name of the box, and the county and state that
I found it in, and the date that I found it. This is strictly because,
since the blessed event of menopause began, my memory is rather shot at
times and I don't want to traipse after the same box three times, find it,
and say "oh yeah! I remember here before." :-)
(Doesn't the LbNA website counting become a problem anyway sometimes with a
"series" of boxes? Many people place a series but then only put a logbook
in the last box. According to what I was told, and maybe that's wrong, I
dunno, it's only a "Find" if the box has a logbook. Thus a series of 6
boxes with only 1 logbook at the end, only counts as 1 "Find", not six. Or
is a person able to list only 1 Find even if LbNA shows it as six boxes?)
But the whole idea of people getting into such a tither and lather about
numbers is just a total turnoff to me. One of the things I really liked
about the LbNA website when I first found it a few years ago was it's
simplicity.
To each his own I guess. But you asked for opinions. That's mine.
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of morgunjp
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 7:02 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
LbNA counts our finds for us, but the count is frequently wrong. It
does not count Hitchhikers, unlisted boxes, or deleted boxes. If we
had a "correct the count" counter somewhere we could scroll down to
the number of boxes to add and, our count would be corrected.
I could post a "Mystery box series" with 99 boxes (I suppose) that
could be used for this; but everyone who used it would mess up their
mystery box count. It would also ruin my "boxes placed" count.
I am aware that boxers with 250 plus finds would not find this
useful, but it would be great for most of us, who have "normal"
numbers of finds.
The new counter would be like the "Mystery Box" counter, but would
be, for example, a "Correct the Count" counter. If we wanted to get
fancy, we could have a separate one for Hitchhikers, etc. Another
way to get fancy would be to have a counter for boxes that were
placed and then deleted, to correct our "Placed" count (it could also
correct for boxes listed with a "-1" number of boxes).
What does everyone think?
Morgun
Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: JARS (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) |
Date: 2005-10-29 08:30:17 UTC-04:00
> The issue probably would be where in the list of
>priorities writing the program would come for
>the volunteer webmasters; who determines those
>priorities; how much time is involved; and whether or
>not the webmasters have the programming skills and
tools
>required. The issue should NOT be whether counting
is
>good, moral, or healthy. LbNA's stance would well be
>allowing different strokes for different folks and
>letting the user determine how they want to be
>stroked.
oldhounder
------------------
Well said. I am in total agreement. If the programming
skills are available let the user determine how they
want to record fines.
JARS
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>priorities writing the program would come for
>the volunteer webmasters; who determines those
>priorities; how much time is involved; and whether or
>not the webmasters have the programming skills and
tools
>required. The issue should NOT be whether counting
is
>good, moral, or healthy. LbNA's stance would well be
>allowing different strokes for different folks and
>letting the user determine how they want to be
>stroked.
oldhounder
------------------
Well said. I am in total agreement. If the programming
skills are available let the user determine how they
want to record fines.
JARS
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
[LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: rscarpen (letterboxing@atlasquest.com) |
Date: 2005-10-29 14:45:14 UTC
> If the programming
> skills are available let the user determine how they
> want to record fines.
I don't think it's really a matter of programming skills, but rather
it seems like an unnecessary complication. Nobody can agree on the
"right" way to count in the first place, but I do think it's better to
compare apples to apples than apples to oranges, even if you'd prefer
to see oranges compared to oranges than apples to apples.
If that makes any sense.....
-- Ryan
> skills are available let the user determine how they
> want to record fines.
I don't think it's really a matter of programming skills, but rather
it seems like an unnecessary complication. Nobody can agree on the
"right" way to count in the first place, but I do think it's better to
compare apples to apples than apples to oranges, even if you'd prefer
to see oranges compared to oranges than apples to apples.
If that makes any sense.....
-- Ryan
Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Barefoot Lucy (barefootlucy@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-10-29 09:02:45 UTC-07:00
--- rscarpen
> ...but I do think it's better to compare apples to >
apples than apples to oranges, even if you'd prefer
> to see oranges compared to oranges than apples to
> apples.
>
> If that makes any sense.....
>
> -- Ryan
>
I don't know if it makes any sense, but suddenly I'm
hungry for fruit!
Lucy
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Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: JOY (TeamTexUS@houston.rr.com) |
Date: 2005-10-29 11:09:10 UTC-05:00
Maybe we could throw a banana, some grapes, and few nuts into the mix! LOL
JOY
-------Original Message-------
From: Barefoot Lucy
Date: 10/29/05 11:02:49
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
--- rscarpen wrote:
> ...but I do think it's better to compare apples to >
apples than apples to oranges, even if you'd prefer
> to see oranges compared to oranges than apples to
> apples.
>
> If that makes any sense.....
>
> -- Ryan
>
I don't know if it makes any sense, but suddenly I'm
hungry for fruit!
Lucy
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From: Barefoot Lucy
Date: 10/29/05 11:02:49
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
--- rscarpen
> ...but I do think it's better to compare apples to >
apples than apples to oranges, even if you'd prefer
> to see oranges compared to oranges than apples to
> apples.
>
> If that makes any sense.....
>
> -- Ryan
>
I don't know if it makes any sense, but suddenly I'm
hungry for fruit!
Lucy
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Re: [LbNA] LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Bob Morgun (morgunjp@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-10-29 09:28:29 UTC-07:00
It is reassuring that so many people are unconcerned with thier number of finds.
To answer the question that was brought up many times:
I DO have a pencil count in my logbook. When that count does not match the LbNA count I know that, most likely, I have missed logging a find on LbNA. The two counts keep each other honest.
OK - I give up - poll results noted.
morgunjp wrote:
LbNA counts our finds for us, but the count is frequently wrong. It
does not count Hitchhikers, unlisted boxes, or deleted boxes. If we
had a "correct the count" counter somewhere we could scroll down to
the number of boxes to add and, our count would be corrected.
I could post a "Mystery box series" with 99 boxes (I suppose) that
could be used for this; but everyone who used it would mess up their
mystery box count. It would also ruin my "boxes placed" count.
I am aware that boxers with 250 plus finds would not find this
useful, but it would be great for most of us, who have "normal"
numbers of finds.
The new counter would be like the "Mystery Box" counter, but would
be, for example, a "Correct the Count" counter. If we wanted to get
fancy, we could have a separate one for Hitchhikers, etc. Another
way to get fancy would be to have a counter for boxes that were
placed and then deleted, to correct our "Placed" count (it could also
correct for boxes listed with a "-1" number of boxes).
What does everyone think?
Morgun
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To answer the question that was brought up many times:
I DO have a pencil count in my logbook. When that count does not match the LbNA count I know that, most likely, I have missed logging a find on LbNA. The two counts keep each other honest.
OK - I give up - poll results noted.
morgunjp
LbNA counts our finds for us, but the count is frequently wrong. It
does not count Hitchhikers, unlisted boxes, or deleted boxes. If we
had a "correct the count" counter somewhere we could scroll down to
the number of boxes to add and, our count would be corrected.
I could post a "Mystery box series" with 99 boxes (I suppose) that
could be used for this; but everyone who used it would mess up their
mystery box count. It would also ruin my "boxes placed" count.
I am aware that boxers with 250 plus finds would not find this
useful, but it would be great for most of us, who have "normal"
numbers of finds.
The new counter would be like the "Mystery Box" counter, but would
be, for example, a "Correct the Count" counter. If we wanted to get
fancy, we could have a separate one for Hitchhikers, etc. Another
way to get fancy would be to have a counter for boxes that were
placed and then deleted, to correct our "Placed" count (it could also
correct for boxes listed with a "-1" number of boxes).
What does everyone think?
Morgun
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Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: (StDebb@aol.com) |
Date: 2005-10-29 14:34:13 UTC-04:00
_TeamTexUS@houston.rr.com_ (mailto:TeamTexUS@houston.rr.com) writes:
and few nuts into the mix!
Oh, we already have THOSE!
DebBee
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and few nuts into the mix!
Oh, we already have THOSE!
DebBee
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Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Suzanne Coe (wilmcoe@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-10-29 11:49:01 UTC-07:00
Oh, there's already a few nuts in the mix... LOL!!
JOY wrote:Maybe we could throw a banana, some grapes, and few nuts into the mix! LOL
JOY
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From: Barefoot Lucy
Date: 10/29/05 11:02:49
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
--- rscarpen wrote:
> ...but I do think it's better to compare apples to >
apples than apples to oranges, even if you'd prefer
> to see oranges compared to oranges than apples to
> apples.
>
> If that makes any sense.....
>
> -- Ryan
>
I don't know if it makes any sense, but suddenly I'm
hungry for fruit!
Lucy
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From: Barefoot Lucy
Date: 10/29/05 11:02:49
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
--- rscarpen
> ...but I do think it's better to compare apples to >
apples than apples to oranges, even if you'd prefer
> to see oranges compared to oranges than apples to
> apples.
>
> If that makes any sense.....
>
> -- Ryan
>
I don't know if it makes any sense, but suddenly I'm
hungry for fruit!
Lucy
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Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Drew Family (drewclan@aol.com) |
Date: 2005-10-30 18:43:40 UTC
I'm one of those "not on LbNA at all" curmudgeons, and wish that the
the counting features had never appeared on the webstie in any form.
They're here to stay now, but I would love to see the "last found"
and "history" information removed from the website completely.
Jay, another offline counter
P396F432X292
>
> What does everyone think?
>
the counting features had never appeared on the webstie in any form.
They're here to stay now, but I would love to see the "last found"
and "history" information removed from the website completely.
Jay, another offline counter
P396F432X292
>
> What does everyone think?
>
Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: JARS (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) |
Date: 2005-10-30 14:30:28 UTC-05:00
Why would you like to remove the "last found" and
"history" feature? Why are they a problem for you?
JARS
--- Drew Family wrote:
---------------------------------
I'm one of those "not on LbNA at all" curmudgeons, and
wish that the
the counting features had never appeared on the
webstie in any form.
They're here to stay now, but I would love to see the
"last found"
and "history" information removed from the website
completely.
Jay, another offline counter
P396F432X292
>
> What does everyone think?
>
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"history" feature? Why are they a problem for you?
JARS
--- Drew Family
---------------------------------
I'm one of those "not on LbNA at all" curmudgeons, and
wish that the
the counting features had never appeared on the
webstie in any form.
They're here to stay now, but I would love to see the
"last found"
and "history" information removed from the website
completely.
Jay, another offline counter
P396F432X292
>
> What does everyone think?
>
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
[LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Brian, Ryan & Lori (teamgreendragon2003@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-10-30 23:05:45 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, JARS wrote:
>
> Why would you like to remove the "last found" and
> "history" feature? Why are they a problem for you?
>
> JARS
>
If you don't understand now, without it being explained, you will
never understand.
Brian
TeamGreenDragon
>
> Why would you like to remove the "last found" and
> "history" feature? Why are they a problem for you?
>
> JARS
>
If you don't understand now, without it being explained, you will
never understand.
Brian
TeamGreenDragon
[LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: edwebbe (edwebbe@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-10-30 23:34:04 UTC
My personal take on this takes me back a couple of years to when I
had just started. I looked on LbNA and was excited to see that a
letterbox existed 50 miles from me. I drove over there and felt the
excitement build as I hiked the 3 miles up to a beautiful waterfall.
The letterbox had been placed three years before and I was hoping
that I could find it since I had only found one other letterbox.
After reading the compass and going through my paces I was ecstatic
to find the thing intact. Then, when I read the journal, I was amazed
to see that I was the first finder of a three year-old letterbox! If
we could see the "last found" and "history" options back then, I
would have already known that it hadn't been found and the experience
would have suffered for it.
More information about the treasure = less adventure. I understand
that some would rather have success than adventure, and I know the
features are here to stay. I'm just glad there are curmudgeons out
there that don't enter their data.
y-nought
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, JARS
wrote:
>
> Why would you like to remove the "last found" and
> "history" feature? Why are they a problem for you?
>
> JARS
>
> --- Drew Family wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I'm one of those "not on LbNA at all" curmudgeons, and
> wish that the
> the counting features had never appeared on the
> webstie in any form.
> They're here to stay now, but I would love to see the
> "last found"
> and "history" information removed from the website
> completely.
>
> Jay, another offline counter
> P396F432X292
>
> >
> > What does everyone think?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
>
had just started. I looked on LbNA and was excited to see that a
letterbox existed 50 miles from me. I drove over there and felt the
excitement build as I hiked the 3 miles up to a beautiful waterfall.
The letterbox had been placed three years before and I was hoping
that I could find it since I had only found one other letterbox.
After reading the compass and going through my paces I was ecstatic
to find the thing intact. Then, when I read the journal, I was amazed
to see that I was the first finder of a three year-old letterbox! If
we could see the "last found" and "history" options back then, I
would have already known that it hadn't been found and the experience
would have suffered for it.
More information about the treasure = less adventure. I understand
that some would rather have success than adventure, and I know the
features are here to stay. I'm just glad there are curmudgeons out
there that don't enter their data.
y-nought
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, JARS
wrote:
>
> Why would you like to remove the "last found" and
> "history" feature? Why are they a problem for you?
>
> JARS
>
> --- Drew Family
> ---------------------------------
> I'm one of those "not on LbNA at all" curmudgeons, and
> wish that the
> the counting features had never appeared on the
> webstie in any form.
> They're here to stay now, but I would love to see the
> "last found"
> and "history" information removed from the website
> completely.
>
> Jay, another offline counter
> P396F432X292
>
> >
> > What does everyone think?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
>
Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: JARS (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) |
Date: 2005-10-30 18:44:40 UTC-05:00
Thanks for this perspective.
I wonder if there was a way to offer a service that
takes into account both aspects...the people who want
to know the history/stats of a letterbox and those who
do not.
Could the stats/history be hidden from those members
who do not wish to know what the history is. Could
they set up their profile to exclude history info when
looking at a clue? Or could we have a button on each
clue that LBers could click on if they want to see the
history?
This way those LBers who like to know who's visited
and when the visits took place will have that option
and those who don't would never click on the
history/statistics button.
JARS
--- edwebbe wrote:
---------------------------------
My personal take on this takes me back a couple of
years to when I
had just started. I looked on LbNA and was excited to
see that a
letterbox existed 50 miles from me. I drove over there
and felt the
excitement build as I hiked the 3 miles up to a
beautiful waterfall.
The letterbox had been placed three years before and I
was hoping
that I could find it since I had only found one other
letterbox.
After reading the compass and going through my paces I
was ecstatic
to find the thing intact. Then, when I read the
journal, I was amazed
to see that I was the first finder of a three year-old
letterbox! If
we could see the "last found" and "history" options
back then, I
would have already known that it hadn't been found and
the experience
would have suffered for it.
More information about the treasure = less adventure.
I understand
that some would rather have success than adventure,
and I know the
features are here to stay. I'm just glad there are
curmudgeons out
there that don't enter their data.
y-nought
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, JARS
wrote:
>
> Why would you like to remove the "last found" and
> "history" feature? Why are they a problem for you?
>
> JARS
>
> --- Drew Family wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I'm one of those "not on LbNA at all" curmudgeons,
and
> wish that the
> the counting features had never appeared on the
> webstie in any form.
> They're here to stay now, but I would love to see
the
> "last found"
> and "history" information removed from the website
> completely.
>
> Jay, another offline counter
> P396F432X292
>
> >
> > What does everyone think?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________________
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>
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I wonder if there was a way to offer a service that
takes into account both aspects...the people who want
to know the history/stats of a letterbox and those who
do not.
Could the stats/history be hidden from those members
who do not wish to know what the history is. Could
they set up their profile to exclude history info when
looking at a clue? Or could we have a button on each
clue that LBers could click on if they want to see the
history?
This way those LBers who like to know who's visited
and when the visits took place will have that option
and those who don't would never click on the
history/statistics button.
JARS
--- edwebbe
---------------------------------
My personal take on this takes me back a couple of
years to when I
had just started. I looked on LbNA and was excited to
see that a
letterbox existed 50 miles from me. I drove over there
and felt the
excitement build as I hiked the 3 miles up to a
beautiful waterfall.
The letterbox had been placed three years before and I
was hoping
that I could find it since I had only found one other
letterbox.
After reading the compass and going through my paces I
was ecstatic
to find the thing intact. Then, when I read the
journal, I was amazed
to see that I was the first finder of a three year-old
letterbox! If
we could see the "last found" and "history" options
back then, I
would have already known that it hadn't been found and
the experience
would have suffered for it.
More information about the treasure = less adventure.
I understand
that some would rather have success than adventure,
and I know the
features are here to stay. I'm just glad there are
curmudgeons out
there that don't enter their data.
y-nought
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, JARS
wrote:
>
> Why would you like to remove the "last found" and
> "history" feature? Why are they a problem for you?
>
> JARS
>
> --- Drew Family
> ---------------------------------
> I'm one of those "not on LbNA at all" curmudgeons,
and
> wish that the
> the counting features had never appeared on the
> webstie in any form.
> They're here to stay now, but I would love to see
the
> "last found"
> and "history" information removed from the website
> completely.
>
> Jay, another offline counter
> P396F432X292
>
> >
> > What does everyone think?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________________
> Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
>
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Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: wyassuplake (wyassuplake@gmail.com) |
Date: 2005-10-30 21:35:35 UTC-05:00
On the flip side of that, I go letterboxing with my three year old
(and a 6 month old), and he cried the one time we went looking for a
letterbox that was missing. He doesn't quite understand adventure in
that sense. He enjoys hiking along and being guided to find the box,
as well as stamping and rehiding. I like knowing that a box has been
recently found so I know it's a fairly safe bet for my little guy.
For those of you worried about being discreet finding/hiding boxes,
you're right, preschoolers are anything but quiet, but we're able to
box on weekdays and have yet to see anyone else out there. Anytime
you want to rehide a box well, ask your three year old if he can see
any plastic! :)
Wyassup Lake
On 10/30/05, edwebbe wrote:
> My personal take on this takes me back a couple of years to when I
> had just started. I looked on LbNA and was excited to see that a
> letterbox existed 50 miles from me. I drove over there and felt the
> excitement build as I hiked the 3 miles up to a beautiful waterfall.
> The letterbox had been placed three years before and I was hoping
> that I could find it since I had only found one other letterbox.
> After reading the compass and going through my paces I was ecstatic
> to find the thing intact. Then, when I read the journal, I was amazed
> to see that I was the first finder of a three year-old letterbox! If
> we could see the "last found" and "history" options back then, I
> would have already known that it hadn't been found and the experience
> would have suffered for it.
>
> More information about the treasure = less adventure. I understand
> that some would rather have success than adventure, and I know the
> features are here to stay. I'm just glad there are curmudgeons out
> there that don't enter their data.
>
> y-nought
>
(and a 6 month old), and he cried the one time we went looking for a
letterbox that was missing. He doesn't quite understand adventure in
that sense. He enjoys hiking along and being guided to find the box,
as well as stamping and rehiding. I like knowing that a box has been
recently found so I know it's a fairly safe bet for my little guy.
For those of you worried about being discreet finding/hiding boxes,
you're right, preschoolers are anything but quiet, but we're able to
box on weekdays and have yet to see anyone else out there. Anytime
you want to rehide a box well, ask your three year old if he can see
any plastic! :)
Wyassup Lake
On 10/30/05, edwebbe
> My personal take on this takes me back a couple of years to when I
> had just started. I looked on LbNA and was excited to see that a
> letterbox existed 50 miles from me. I drove over there and felt the
> excitement build as I hiked the 3 miles up to a beautiful waterfall.
> The letterbox had been placed three years before and I was hoping
> that I could find it since I had only found one other letterbox.
> After reading the compass and going through my paces I was ecstatic
> to find the thing intact. Then, when I read the journal, I was amazed
> to see that I was the first finder of a three year-old letterbox! If
> we could see the "last found" and "history" options back then, I
> would have already known that it hadn't been found and the experience
> would have suffered for it.
>
> More information about the treasure = less adventure. I understand
> that some would rather have success than adventure, and I know the
> features are here to stay. I'm just glad there are curmudgeons out
> there that don't enter their data.
>
> y-nought
>
Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: John Chapman (john@johnsblog.com) |
Date: 2005-10-30 21:48:49 UTC-05:00
There are already preferences for those that don't want to get into the find
history info. There's one setting to disable letterbox status display for
your boxes and another to disable letterbox status display for boxes placed
by others.
Personally, I find special enjoyment in looking for boxes that haven't been
found recently.
If we really want to get back to the good old days we should put pins in a
map on the wall to show the letterboxes we've found or know about but
haven't found yet. The website isn't the letterboxing, it's just a tool.
Choi
> I wonder if there was a way to offer a service that
> takes into account both aspects...the people who want
> to know the history/stats of a letterbox and those who
> do not.
history info. There's one setting to disable letterbox status display for
your boxes and another to disable letterbox status display for boxes placed
by others.
Personally, I find special enjoyment in looking for boxes that haven't been
found recently.
If we really want to get back to the good old days we should put pins in a
map on the wall to show the letterboxes we've found or know about but
haven't found yet. The website isn't the letterboxing, it's just a tool.
Choi
> I wonder if there was a way to offer a service that
> takes into account both aspects...the people who want
> to know the history/stats of a letterbox and those who
> do not.
Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Maribeth Jagger (cjagger405@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2005-10-30 21:05:37 UTC-06:00
I understand... I have two grandsons about that age, but on the other hand... it's a great opportunity to teach your children that it's the journey that counts, not the destination.
----- Original Message -----
From: wyassuplake
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/30/2005 8:42:09 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
On the flip side of that, I go letterboxing with my three year old
(and a 6 month old), and he cried the one time we went looking for a
letterbox that was missing. He doesn't quite understand adventure in
that sense. He enjoys hiking along and being guided to find the box,
as well as stamping and rehiding. I like knowing that a box has been
recently found so I know it's a fairly safe bet for my little guy.
For those of you worried about being discreet finding/hiding boxes,
you're right, preschoolers are anything but quiet, but we're able to
box on weekdays and have yet to see anyone else out there. Anytime
you want to rehide a box well, ask your three year old if he can see
any plastic! :)
Wyassup Lake
On 10/30/05, edwebbe wrote:
> My personal take on this takes me back a couple of years to when I
> had just started. I looked on LbNA and was excited to see that a
> letterbox existed 50 miles from me. I drove over there and felt the
> excitement build as I hiked the 3 miles up to a beautiful waterfall.
> The letterbox had been placed three years before and I was hoping
> that I could find it since I had only found one other letterbox.
> After reading the compass and going through my paces I was ecstatic
> to find the thing intact. Then, when I read the journal, I was amazed
> to see that I was the first finder of a three year-old letterbox! If
> we could see the "last found" and "history" options back then, I
> would have already known that it hadn't been found and the experience
> would have suffered for it.
>
> More information about the treasure = less adventure. I understand
> that some would rather have success than adventure, and I know the
> features are here to stay. I'm just glad there are curmudgeons out
> there that don't enter their data.
>
> y-nought
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: wyassuplake
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/30/2005 8:42:09 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
On the flip side of that, I go letterboxing with my three year old
(and a 6 month old), and he cried the one time we went looking for a
letterbox that was missing. He doesn't quite understand adventure in
that sense. He enjoys hiking along and being guided to find the box,
as well as stamping and rehiding. I like knowing that a box has been
recently found so I know it's a fairly safe bet for my little guy.
For those of you worried about being discreet finding/hiding boxes,
you're right, preschoolers are anything but quiet, but we're able to
box on weekdays and have yet to see anyone else out there. Anytime
you want to rehide a box well, ask your three year old if he can see
any plastic! :)
Wyassup Lake
On 10/30/05, edwebbe
> My personal take on this takes me back a couple of years to when I
> had just started. I looked on LbNA and was excited to see that a
> letterbox existed 50 miles from me. I drove over there and felt the
> excitement build as I hiked the 3 miles up to a beautiful waterfall.
> The letterbox had been placed three years before and I was hoping
> that I could find it since I had only found one other letterbox.
> After reading the compass and going through my paces I was ecstatic
> to find the thing intact. Then, when I read the journal, I was amazed
> to see that I was the first finder of a three year-old letterbox! If
> we could see the "last found" and "history" options back then, I
> would have already known that it hadn't been found and the experience
> would have suffered for it.
>
> More information about the treasure = less adventure. I understand
> that some would rather have success than adventure, and I know the
> features are here to stay. I'm just glad there are curmudgeons out
> there that don't enter their data.
>
> y-nought
>
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Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: ponyexpresscarrier (PonyExpressMail@comcast.net) |
Date: 2005-10-31 12:35:33 UTC
A lot often gets said on the list as to the fact that "it's all about
the hike" and the fact that the searcher is being taken someplace
that the placer finds truly beautiful and special and wants to
share. Thus counts shouldn't be thought about or maybe drive-by
boxes should be discouraged. And parents have brought up the point
about how disappointed children can be at not finding a box.
I wanted to bring up two points:
1. In all fairness to boxers who don't necessarily feel that it's
all about the hike............the above just isn't true for a good
many placed boxes so even tho I detest what I term "all the counting
crap", I can understand why some people use other criteria for their
boxing drive or mentality.
In my neck of the woods, some boxes are placed where there's a really
pretty river to take in, or a nifty statue to see, or a cute little
waterfall, or a swinging bridge in a city with more curved streets
than I've ever seen in my entire life so the search is a cool
experience, etc.
But a good many boxes are placed in those good ol' neighborhood parks
that we all have in our towns and that there's nothing
exactly "special" about in the least. Or along bike paths where if
you've-seen-one-set-of-woods, you've-seen-'em-all type of thing. And
if there *is* something special about it to the placer, it's rarely
stated in the clues for the searcher to be able to understand why
that particular site was picked.
In other words, for the searcher, maybe there's nothing either
stimulating or challenging to make someone want to search for *that*
particular box. Other than for a unique stamp, or to up their F-
count, etc.
2. I do think, tho, for children, that not finding a box is a good
lesson in the fact that that's what happens in real life. I guess
maybe if I had a kid that I just absolutely didn't want to see
disappointed, I'd make up a box to carry with me and quickly hide it
at the site just so that the child would "find" something. Change to
a new little store-bought stamp each time. Put some fake stamps in
the logbook with some fake signatures and dates? :-)
But I think it's a valuable lesson for a child to learn. If they're
old enough to understand that they're on a treasure hunt, and that
there's something exciting that might be found, it seems to me like
they're old enough to understand that sometimes they're going to
disappointed at the end of the search. That's what a treasure hunt
is.
I used to traipse after my mother on some of her archeological digs
when I was quite young, and I can remember sharing in both the agony
and the ecstasy of the adults, even tho I was too young at the
beginning to really care much about or understand the history behind
what everyone was looking for. It was a great lesson seeing my
mother sometimes ecstatic and seeing her sometimes disappointed yet,
if disappointed, always bouncing back and getting right back into
things.
I've also seen some parents put (in my opinion)
too much emphasis on the finding of the box. As if they're using
that as a bribe to get the child to go on the hike/search in the
first place. "Look little Johhny! Look Little Suzy! If you'll agree
to come with us, you'll get to find a treasure box at the end!" So
that when that box is missing, the child feels lied to which adds to
the disappointment and to the severity of the temper tantrum. Maybe
being a little more low-key in the beginning of the trip might help,
and not treating the letterbox as a sort of bribe. Maybe something
more along the lines of "We're going over to play in this here park
and along with other things we'll be doing, we're going to be
following a map which *might* lead us to a little treasure."
In other words, take the seeming "choice" for the trip out of the
child's hands. No choice, no need for a bribe?
~~ Mosey ~~
the hike" and the fact that the searcher is being taken someplace
that the placer finds truly beautiful and special and wants to
share. Thus counts shouldn't be thought about or maybe drive-by
boxes should be discouraged. And parents have brought up the point
about how disappointed children can be at not finding a box.
I wanted to bring up two points:
1. In all fairness to boxers who don't necessarily feel that it's
all about the hike............the above just isn't true for a good
many placed boxes so even tho I detest what I term "all the counting
crap", I can understand why some people use other criteria for their
boxing drive or mentality.
In my neck of the woods, some boxes are placed where there's a really
pretty river to take in, or a nifty statue to see, or a cute little
waterfall, or a swinging bridge in a city with more curved streets
than I've ever seen in my entire life so the search is a cool
experience, etc.
But a good many boxes are placed in those good ol' neighborhood parks
that we all have in our towns and that there's nothing
exactly "special" about in the least. Or along bike paths where if
you've-seen-one-set-of-woods, you've-seen-'em-all type of thing. And
if there *is* something special about it to the placer, it's rarely
stated in the clues for the searcher to be able to understand why
that particular site was picked.
In other words, for the searcher, maybe there's nothing either
stimulating or challenging to make someone want to search for *that*
particular box. Other than for a unique stamp, or to up their F-
count, etc.
2. I do think, tho, for children, that not finding a box is a good
lesson in the fact that that's what happens in real life. I guess
maybe if I had a kid that I just absolutely didn't want to see
disappointed, I'd make up a box to carry with me and quickly hide it
at the site just so that the child would "find" something. Change to
a new little store-bought stamp each time. Put some fake stamps in
the logbook with some fake signatures and dates? :-)
But I think it's a valuable lesson for a child to learn. If they're
old enough to understand that they're on a treasure hunt, and that
there's something exciting that might be found, it seems to me like
they're old enough to understand that sometimes they're going to
disappointed at the end of the search. That's what a treasure hunt
is.
I used to traipse after my mother on some of her archeological digs
when I was quite young, and I can remember sharing in both the agony
and the ecstasy of the adults, even tho I was too young at the
beginning to really care much about or understand the history behind
what everyone was looking for. It was a great lesson seeing my
mother sometimes ecstatic and seeing her sometimes disappointed yet,
if disappointed, always bouncing back and getting right back into
things.
I've also seen some parents put (in my opinion)
too much emphasis on the finding of the box. As if they're using
that as a bribe to get the child to go on the hike/search in the
first place. "Look little Johhny! Look Little Suzy! If you'll agree
to come with us, you'll get to find a treasure box at the end!" So
that when that box is missing, the child feels lied to which adds to
the disappointment and to the severity of the temper tantrum. Maybe
being a little more low-key in the beginning of the trip might help,
and not treating the letterbox as a sort of bribe. Maybe something
more along the lines of "We're going over to play in this here park
and along with other things we'll be doing, we're going to be
following a map which *might* lead us to a little treasure."
In other words, take the seeming "choice" for the trip out of the
child's hands. No choice, no need for a bribe?
~~ Mosey ~~
Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Pamela Smith Lenox (pamela.lenox@verizon.net) |
Date: 2005-10-31 08:26:02 UTC-05:00
Bingo! I made sure to impress that on my daughter the first time we
went LBing. Good thing, because we never did find that box. Plus, now
whenever *I* get a little frustrated, *she* pipes up with "But it's all
about the hike and the pretty place!" and I smile and tell her she's
right and we go back to having a great day, box or no. Teaching that
lesson early is worth it on sooo many levels. :-)
pezpam
On Sunday, October 30, 2005, at 10:05 PM, Maribeth Jagger wrote:
> I understand... I have two grandsons about that age, but on the other
> hand... it's a great opportunity to teach your children that it's the
> journey that counts, not the destination.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wyassuplake
>
> On the flip side of that, I go letterboxing with my three year old
> (and a 6 month old), and he cried the one time we went looking for a
> letterbox that was missing. He doesn't quite understand adventure in
> that sense. He enjoys hiking along and being guided to find the box,
> as well as stamping and rehiding. I like knowing that a box has been
> recently found so I know it's a fairly safe bet for my little guy.
went LBing. Good thing, because we never did find that box. Plus, now
whenever *I* get a little frustrated, *she* pipes up with "But it's all
about the hike and the pretty place!" and I smile and tell her she's
right and we go back to having a great day, box or no. Teaching that
lesson early is worth it on sooo many levels. :-)
pezpam
On Sunday, October 30, 2005, at 10:05 PM, Maribeth Jagger wrote:
> I understand... I have two grandsons about that age, but on the other
> hand... it's a great opportunity to teach your children that it's the
> journey that counts, not the destination.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wyassuplake
>
> On the flip side of that, I go letterboxing with my three year old
> (and a 6 month old), and he cried the one time we went looking for a
> letterbox that was missing. He doesn't quite understand adventure in
> that sense. He enjoys hiking along and being guided to find the box,
> as well as stamping and rehiding. I like knowing that a box has been
> recently found so I know it's a fairly safe bet for my little guy.
Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: wyassuplake (wyassuplake@gmail.com) |
Date: 2005-10-31 14:34:43 UTC-05:00
Those are wonderful ideas for most children to learn and learn at a
fairly young age. However, some children struggle overcome many
obstacles just to live what is called a "normal" life. As a mother of
one of those children, I need him to believe that hard work pays off.
He has too much hard work to do in his real life to lose faith in that
at age 3. I'm not sheltering him from disappointment; he gets enough
of it from his own current limitations.
Thanks for the idea about hiding a pretend box, but he never seems to
fall for tricks like that here at home! :) I wish he had the stamina
so that we could just look for a second one, but that will come with
time. Those drive by boxes that take people 20 minutes to reach take
us at least an hour in and almost that much back, but that's not
helped by his fascination with sticks, stones, and anything else that
might be on the trail. We've currently got a bumper crop of mushrooms
in the area....
Wyassup Lake
On 10/31/05, alwayschaos wrote:
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "ponyexpresscarrier"
> wrote:
> 2. I do think, tho, for children, that not finding a box is a good
> > lesson in the fact that that's what happens in real life.
>
> Heck, that would be a good lesson for some adults, too.
>
> Nothing ventured, nothing gained. And sometimes the thing gained is not
> what you thought it would be but is more precious.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
fairly young age. However, some children struggle overcome many
obstacles just to live what is called a "normal" life. As a mother of
one of those children, I need him to believe that hard work pays off.
He has too much hard work to do in his real life to lose faith in that
at age 3. I'm not sheltering him from disappointment; he gets enough
of it from his own current limitations.
Thanks for the idea about hiding a pretend box, but he never seems to
fall for tricks like that here at home! :) I wish he had the stamina
so that we could just look for a second one, but that will come with
time. Those drive by boxes that take people 20 minutes to reach take
us at least an hour in and almost that much back, but that's not
helped by his fascination with sticks, stones, and anything else that
might be on the trail. We've currently got a bumper crop of mushrooms
in the area....
Wyassup Lake
On 10/31/05, alwayschaos
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "ponyexpresscarrier"
>
> 2. I do think, tho, for children, that not finding a box is a good
> > lesson in the fact that that's what happens in real life.
>
> Heck, that would be a good lesson for some adults, too.
>
> Nothing ventured, nothing gained. And sometimes the thing gained is not
> what you thought it would be but is more precious.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Pamela Smith Lenox (pamela.lenox@verizon.net) |
Date: 2005-10-31 15:16:30 UTC-05:00
It's not a matter of losing faith, but finding it. Redefine what the
payoff is - the walk and the place and yes, all of the stones and
sticks and mushrooms, maybe even a small picnic or quick snack along
the way - whatever works for the two of you. Maybe the box can be the
focus for you, but not for him. As I said, I box with my daughter and
I'm not trying to be a pain here...... it just isn't realistic to be
sure of finding the box every time, no matter what. Even if someone
reported it in place yesterday, who knows who found it last night or
which squirrel dragged it off to gnaw on somewhere else or if the
stream topped its banks in the night...... LBing just does not lend
itself to the type of perfection you seem to be looking for, but a
redefinition of the experience should make it enjoyable for both you
and your son whether or not the box you're hunting is there.
HTH
pezpam
On Monday, October 31, 2005, at 02:34 PM, wyassuplake wrote:
> Those are wonderful ideas for most children to learn and learn at a
> fairly young age. However, some children struggle overcome many
> obstacles just to live what is called a "normal" life. As a mother of
> one of those children, I need him to believe that hard work pays off.
> He has too much hard work to do in his real life to lose faith in that
> at age 3. I'm not sheltering him from disappointment; he gets enough
> of it from his own current limitations.
payoff is - the walk and the place and yes, all of the stones and
sticks and mushrooms, maybe even a small picnic or quick snack along
the way - whatever works for the two of you. Maybe the box can be the
focus for you, but not for him. As I said, I box with my daughter and
I'm not trying to be a pain here...... it just isn't realistic to be
sure of finding the box every time, no matter what. Even if someone
reported it in place yesterday, who knows who found it last night or
which squirrel dragged it off to gnaw on somewhere else or if the
stream topped its banks in the night...... LBing just does not lend
itself to the type of perfection you seem to be looking for, but a
redefinition of the experience should make it enjoyable for both you
and your son whether or not the box you're hunting is there.
HTH
pezpam
On Monday, October 31, 2005, at 02:34 PM, wyassuplake wrote:
> Those are wonderful ideas for most children to learn and learn at a
> fairly young age. However, some children struggle overcome many
> obstacles just to live what is called a "normal" life. As a mother of
> one of those children, I need him to believe that hard work pays off.
> He has too much hard work to do in his real life to lose faith in that
> at age 3. I'm not sheltering him from disappointment; he gets enough
> of it from his own current limitations.
[LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: dixiedarlin_snakedancer (dixiedarlin_snakedancer@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-11-01 01:56:58 UTC
i particularly appreciate the updated information regarding missing
or attempted and FOUND
this past week i introduced 2 friends to LB
we searched for 3 hours for SURFCASTER LB (attempted) in
Provincetown MA and went up and down 3 staircases searching for LONG
POND LB (last find Apr 05)in Wellfleet MA and did not find either one
luckily i had also printed out the clues to the LITTLE MERMAID LB
(noted that it had been found 04OCT05) in Wellfleet MA great
imaginative clues and IT WAS THERE with a BONUS LB too
so the day was a success and now there are two more LB enthusiasts
in CT but they were a little leery about this hobby until we FOUND
one
so i am grateful that i had printed out all three and for the found
information included.......my friends KNOW first hand that they may
get a nice hike and no LB for the journey.....but when you find one
AHHHHH!!
Dixie Darlin'
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Pamela Smith Lenox
wrote:
>
> It's not a matter of losing faith, but finding it. Redefine what
the
> payoff is - the walk and the place and yes, all of the stones and
> sticks and mushrooms, maybe even a small picnic or quick snack
along
> the way - whatever works for the two of you. Maybe the box can be
the
> focus for you, but not for him. As I said, I box with my daughter
and
> I'm not trying to be a pain here...... it just isn't realistic to
be
> sure of finding the box every time, no matter what. Even if
someone
> reported it in place yesterday, who knows who found it last night
or
> which squirrel dragged it off to gnaw on somewhere else or if the
> stream topped its banks in the night...... LBing just does not
lend
> itself to the type of perfection you seem to be looking for, but a
> redefinition of the experience should make it enjoyable for both
you
> and your son whether or not the box you're hunting is there.
>
> HTH
> pezpam
>
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2005, at 02:34 PM, wyassuplake wrote:
>
> > Those are wonderful ideas for most children to learn and learn
at a
> > fairly young age. However, some children struggle overcome many
> > obstacles just to live what is called a "normal" life. As a
mother of
> > one of those children, I need him to believe that hard work pays
off.
> > He has too much hard work to do in his real life to lose faith
in that
> > at age 3. I'm not sheltering him from disappointment; he gets
enough
> > of it from his own current limitations.
>
or attempted and FOUND
this past week i introduced 2 friends to LB
we searched for 3 hours for SURFCASTER LB (attempted) in
Provincetown MA and went up and down 3 staircases searching for LONG
POND LB (last find Apr 05)in Wellfleet MA and did not find either one
luckily i had also printed out the clues to the LITTLE MERMAID LB
(noted that it had been found 04OCT05) in Wellfleet MA great
imaginative clues and IT WAS THERE with a BONUS LB too
so the day was a success and now there are two more LB enthusiasts
in CT but they were a little leery about this hobby until we FOUND
one
so i am grateful that i had printed out all three and for the found
information included.......my friends KNOW first hand that they may
get a nice hike and no LB for the journey.....but when you find one
AHHHHH!!
Dixie Darlin'
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Pamela Smith Lenox
>
> It's not a matter of losing faith, but finding it. Redefine what
the
> payoff is - the walk and the place and yes, all of the stones and
> sticks and mushrooms, maybe even a small picnic or quick snack
along
> the way - whatever works for the two of you. Maybe the box can be
the
> focus for you, but not for him. As I said, I box with my daughter
and
> I'm not trying to be a pain here...... it just isn't realistic to
be
> sure of finding the box every time, no matter what. Even if
someone
> reported it in place yesterday, who knows who found it last night
or
> which squirrel dragged it off to gnaw on somewhere else or if the
> stream topped its banks in the night...... LBing just does not
lend
> itself to the type of perfection you seem to be looking for, but a
> redefinition of the experience should make it enjoyable for both
you
> and your son whether or not the box you're hunting is there.
>
> HTH
> pezpam
>
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2005, at 02:34 PM, wyassuplake wrote:
>
> > Those are wonderful ideas for most children to learn and learn
at a
> > fairly young age. However, some children struggle overcome many
> > obstacles just to live what is called a "normal" life. As a
mother of
> > one of those children, I need him to believe that hard work pays
off.
> > He has too much hard work to do in his real life to lose faith
in that
> > at age 3. I'm not sheltering him from disappointment; he gets
enough
> > of it from his own current limitations.
>
Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: JARS (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) |
Date: 2005-10-31 21:29:29 UTC-05:00
If letterboxing were mainly about visiting interesting
places then letterboxing.org would be a tourism site
where people post directions to great places to see.
Why bother planting a stamp in a box if it's about the
experience and the great location?
As a hider of 23 boxes I try to check my boxes at
least once every 2 months. If I get a report that
someone couldn't find a box I post a note to my clues
page and try to get out to the box within a week to
check. If I find it I'll post a note to the page that
it's still there. Only one of my letterboxes that I've
posted on the letterboxing sites has gone missing and
I replaced it within a few days and posted notes. I
feel it's part of my responsibility to maintain the
box.
As I hider I don't want to disappoint people (young,
young-at-heart or old curmudgeons). For me if the
destination is picturesque but the box is not there it
taints the experience. If the box is there the beauty
of the site and the memory of the day is enhanced.
JARS
--- alwayschaos wrote:
---------------------------------
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com,
"ponyexpresscarrier"
wrote:
2. I do think, tho, for children, that not finding a
box is a good
> lesson in the fact that that's what happens in real
life.
Heck, that would be a good lesson for some adults,
too.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. And sometimes the
thing gained is not
what you thought it would be but is more precious.
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
places then letterboxing.org would be a tourism site
where people post directions to great places to see.
Why bother planting a stamp in a box if it's about the
experience and the great location?
As a hider of 23 boxes I try to check my boxes at
least once every 2 months. If I get a report that
someone couldn't find a box I post a note to my clues
page and try to get out to the box within a week to
check. If I find it I'll post a note to the page that
it's still there. Only one of my letterboxes that I've
posted on the letterboxing sites has gone missing and
I replaced it within a few days and posted notes. I
feel it's part of my responsibility to maintain the
box.
As I hider I don't want to disappoint people (young,
young-at-heart or old curmudgeons). For me if the
destination is picturesque but the box is not there it
taints the experience. If the box is there the beauty
of the site and the memory of the day is enhanced.
JARS
--- alwayschaos
---------------------------------
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com,
"ponyexpresscarrier"
2. I do think, tho, for children, that not finding a
box is a good
> lesson in the fact that that's what happens in real
life.
Heck, that would be a good lesson for some adults,
too.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. And sometimes the
thing gained is not
what you thought it would be but is more precious.
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: JARS (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) |
Date: 2005-10-31 21:46:37 UTC-05:00
If the box was reported found on the site a few days
ago then the chances are better that it will still be
there. If the box is reported attempted the box could
be missing or the box is hidden so well that it's hard
to find, perhaps too hard for a 3 year old.
Give the finder enough information to make their own
decision about whether to look for the box or not.
I think it's inconsiderate to not let people know that
a box has repeatedly been reported as attempted and
that the hider is unable to confirm if the box is
there. There are plenty of absentee hiders out there
who for whatever reason plant a box or 2 and then
disappear from letterboxing. If the hider does not
respond, at least finders can let each other know that
boxes are likely missing by using the attempted
feature.
JARS
--- Pamela Smith Lenox
wrote:
---------------------------------
It's not a matter of losing faith, but finding it.
Redefine what the
payoff is - the walk and the place and yes, all of the
stones and
sticks and mushrooms, maybe even a small picnic or
quick snack along
the way - whatever works for the two of you. Maybe the
box can be the
focus for you, but not for him. As I said, I box with
my daughter and
I'm not trying to be a pain here...... it just isn't
realistic to be
sure of finding the box every time, no matter what.
Even if someone
reported it in place yesterday, who knows who found it
last night or
which squirrel dragged it off to gnaw on somewhere
else or if the
stream topped its banks in the night...... LBing just
does not lend
itself to the type of perfection you seem to be
looking for, but a
redefinition of the experience should make it
enjoyable for both you
and your son whether or not the box you're hunting is
there.
HTH
pezpam
On Monday, October 31, 2005, at 02:34 PM, wyassuplake
wrote:
> Those are wonderful ideas for most children to learn
and learn at a
> fairly young age. However, some children struggle
overcome many
> obstacles just to live what is called a "normal"
life. As a mother of
> one of those children, I need him to believe that
hard work pays off.
> He has too much hard work to do in his real life to
lose faith in that
> at age 3. I'm not sheltering him from
disappointment; he gets enough
> of it from his own current limitations.
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
ago then the chances are better that it will still be
there. If the box is reported attempted the box could
be missing or the box is hidden so well that it's hard
to find, perhaps too hard for a 3 year old.
Give the finder enough information to make their own
decision about whether to look for the box or not.
I think it's inconsiderate to not let people know that
a box has repeatedly been reported as attempted and
that the hider is unable to confirm if the box is
there. There are plenty of absentee hiders out there
who for whatever reason plant a box or 2 and then
disappear from letterboxing. If the hider does not
respond, at least finders can let each other know that
boxes are likely missing by using the attempted
feature.
JARS
--- Pamela Smith Lenox
wrote:
---------------------------------
It's not a matter of losing faith, but finding it.
Redefine what the
payoff is - the walk and the place and yes, all of the
stones and
sticks and mushrooms, maybe even a small picnic or
quick snack along
the way - whatever works for the two of you. Maybe the
box can be the
focus for you, but not for him. As I said, I box with
my daughter and
I'm not trying to be a pain here...... it just isn't
realistic to be
sure of finding the box every time, no matter what.
Even if someone
reported it in place yesterday, who knows who found it
last night or
which squirrel dragged it off to gnaw on somewhere
else or if the
stream topped its banks in the night...... LBing just
does not lend
itself to the type of perfection you seem to be
looking for, but a
redefinition of the experience should make it
enjoyable for both you
and your son whether or not the box you're hunting is
there.
HTH
pezpam
On Monday, October 31, 2005, at 02:34 PM, wyassuplake
wrote:
> Those are wonderful ideas for most children to learn
and learn at a
> fairly young age. However, some children struggle
overcome many
> obstacles just to live what is called a "normal"
life. As a mother of
> one of those children, I need him to believe that
hard work pays off.
> He has too much hard work to do in his real life to
lose faith in that
> at age 3. I'm not sheltering him from
disappointment; he gets enough
> of it from his own current limitations.
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Pungent Bob (PungentBob@HotPOP.com) |
Date: 2005-11-01 05:18:37 UTC
I didn't realize 3 year olds looked for boxes by themselves. I guess
my four year old is well behind. She can't read the clues or have a
driver's license yet and thus is dependant on me for her boxing.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, JARS wrote:
> be missing or the box is hidden so well that it's hard
> to find, perhaps too hard for a 3 year old.
my four year old is well behind. She can't read the clues or have a
driver's license yet and thus is dependant on me for her boxing.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, JARS
> be missing or the box is hidden so well that it's hard
> to find, perhaps too hard for a 3 year old.
Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: marthastewartletterboxer (nishakamada@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-11-01 06:26:10 UTC
I understand, I did my best parenting before I had kids too.....
With a nod to Jerry Scott.
Nisha
> I've also seen some parents put (in my opinion)
> too much emphasis on the finding of the box. As if they're using
> that as a bribe to get the child to go on the hike/search in the
> first place. "Look little Johhny! Look Little Suzy! If you'll agree
> to come with us, you'll get to find a treasure box at the end!" So
> that when that box is missing, the child feels lied to which adds to
> the disappointment and to the severity of the temper tantrum. Maybe
> being a little more low-key in the beginning of the trip might help,
> and not treating the letterbox as a sort of bribe. Maybe something
> more along the lines of "We're going over to play in this here park
> and along with other things we'll be doing, we're going to be
> following a map which *might* lead us to a little treasure."
>
> In other words, take the seeming "choice" for the trip out of the
> child's hands. No choice, no need for a bribe?
>
> ~~ Mosey ~~
>
With a nod to Jerry Scott.
Nisha
> I've also seen some parents put (in my opinion)
> too much emphasis on the finding of the box. As if they're using
> that as a bribe to get the child to go on the hike/search in the
> first place. "Look little Johhny! Look Little Suzy! If you'll agree
> to come with us, you'll get to find a treasure box at the end!" So
> that when that box is missing, the child feels lied to which adds to
> the disappointment and to the severity of the temper tantrum. Maybe
> being a little more low-key in the beginning of the trip might help,
> and not treating the letterbox as a sort of bribe. Maybe something
> more along the lines of "We're going over to play in this here park
> and along with other things we'll be doing, we're going to be
> following a map which *might* lead us to a little treasure."
>
> In other words, take the seeming "choice" for the trip out of the
> child's hands. No choice, no need for a bribe?
>
> ~~ Mosey ~~
>
[LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: clickermom3 (clickermom3@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-11-01 08:52:23 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, wyassuplake
wrote:
>
> Those are wonderful ideas for most children to learn and learn at a
> fairly young age. However, some children struggle overcome many
> obstacles just to live what is called a "normal" life. As a
mother of
> one of those children, I need him to believe that hard work pays
off.
> He has too much hard work to do in his real life to lose faith in
that
> at age 3. I'm not sheltering him from disappointment; he gets
enough
> of it from his own current limitations.
>
> Thanks for the idea about hiding a pretend box, but he never seems
to
> fall for tricks like that here at home! :) I wish he had the
stamina
> so that we could just look for a second one, but that will come
with
> time. Those drive by boxes that take people 20 minutes to reach
take
> us at least an hour in and almost that much back, but that's not
> helped by his fascination with sticks, stones, and anything else
that
> might be on the trail. We've currently got a bumper crop of
mushrooms
> in the area....
I think perhaps your son isn't ready for the 'work' of letterboxing.
Three years old is very young, and any child's attention span at
that age is quite short. Perhaps you could put less emphasis on the
quest for the box (for him), and more on the joy of finding sticks
and mushrooms. You could still seek boxes, possibly choosing ones
that are less challenging in terms of time and terrain, and allow
him to enjoy the trek in his own way.
Letterboxing is the kind of activity that one needs to choose, and
if it isn't his choice, you'll sour him on it. Your enthusiasm for
the sport is more likely to be contagious if he chooses to
participate when he feels ready.
That being said, when I place my boxes, i keep families in mind. I
make the clues quite easy, place the box close to the trail, and
make certain that the terrain is easy walking. Two of my good
friends are 'boxers, one an above the knee amputee, one with a
seizure disorder, and both with service dogs. I always have them in
mind when i place boxes.
i find it gratifying to read i the logbook that someone's three year
old found the box, or that it was a families first find.
respectfully
Clickermom3
wrote:
>
> Those are wonderful ideas for most children to learn and learn at a
> fairly young age. However, some children struggle overcome many
> obstacles just to live what is called a "normal" life. As a
mother of
> one of those children, I need him to believe that hard work pays
off.
> He has too much hard work to do in his real life to lose faith in
that
> at age 3. I'm not sheltering him from disappointment; he gets
enough
> of it from his own current limitations.
>
> Thanks for the idea about hiding a pretend box, but he never seems
to
> fall for tricks like that here at home! :) I wish he had the
stamina
> so that we could just look for a second one, but that will come
with
> time. Those drive by boxes that take people 20 minutes to reach
take
> us at least an hour in and almost that much back, but that's not
> helped by his fascination with sticks, stones, and anything else
that
> might be on the trail. We've currently got a bumper crop of
mushrooms
> in the area....
I think perhaps your son isn't ready for the 'work' of letterboxing.
Three years old is very young, and any child's attention span at
that age is quite short. Perhaps you could put less emphasis on the
quest for the box (for him), and more on the joy of finding sticks
and mushrooms. You could still seek boxes, possibly choosing ones
that are less challenging in terms of time and terrain, and allow
him to enjoy the trek in his own way.
Letterboxing is the kind of activity that one needs to choose, and
if it isn't his choice, you'll sour him on it. Your enthusiasm for
the sport is more likely to be contagious if he chooses to
participate when he feels ready.
That being said, when I place my boxes, i keep families in mind. I
make the clues quite easy, place the box close to the trail, and
make certain that the terrain is easy walking. Two of my good
friends are 'boxers, one an above the knee amputee, one with a
seizure disorder, and both with service dogs. I always have them in
mind when i place boxes.
i find it gratifying to read i the logbook that someone's three year
old found the box, or that it was a families first find.
respectfully
Clickermom3
[LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: SpringChick (springchick@letterbox-mi.com) |
Date: 2005-11-01 10:41:14 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, JARS
wrote:
>
> Why would you like to remove the "last found" and
> "history" feature? Why are they a problem for you?
>
> JARS
Letterboxing.org was meant to be a CLUE site -- a central place for
people to post clues so other letterboxers can find them. Period.
Job done.
It was not ever intended to be a place where people can "count"
their finds and placements, etc. Those features were only recently
added and while many find them to be in some way useful, many others
think they don't have a place on a CLUE site. I know there are some
who feel the site, particularly before the logging feature, was
quite primitive and simple. Believe it or not, that was one of the
things we liked about it -- no frills. It had a specific purpose --
to house clues. It filled that purpose well. In its current
configuration, it has in my opinion, grown not only beyond its
original intent, but also beyond its place in the game.
I would have to agree with previous posters on the counting issue --
if you really must count, just use tick marks in your log book --
how much easier can you get -- one stamp, one find... I don't know
how you could possibly get an accurate count off the LbNA site
anyway as there are so many letterboxes not even listed there.
SpringChick
wrote:
>
> Why would you like to remove the "last found" and
> "history" feature? Why are they a problem for you?
>
> JARS
Letterboxing.org was meant to be a CLUE site -- a central place for
people to post clues so other letterboxers can find them. Period.
Job done.
It was not ever intended to be a place where people can "count"
their finds and placements, etc. Those features were only recently
added and while many find them to be in some way useful, many others
think they don't have a place on a CLUE site. I know there are some
who feel the site, particularly before the logging feature, was
quite primitive and simple. Believe it or not, that was one of the
things we liked about it -- no frills. It had a specific purpose --
to house clues. It filled that purpose well. In its current
configuration, it has in my opinion, grown not only beyond its
original intent, but also beyond its place in the game.
I would have to agree with previous posters on the counting issue --
if you really must count, just use tick marks in your log book --
how much easier can you get -- one stamp, one find... I don't know
how you could possibly get an accurate count off the LbNA site
anyway as there are so many letterboxes not even listed there.
SpringChick
Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: JARS (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) |
Date: 2005-11-01 07:23:24 UTC-05:00
It's totally OK that you don't like to count online.
But others do. Each to their own.
Web sites evolve as web features become available.
It's the nature of the web. Some think it's for the
better some don't. Those who prefer the simplest form
can still use the LBNA site in that manner.
As Choi pointed out in an earlier message about the
site:
"There are already preferences for those that don't
want to get into the find
history info. There's one setting to disable letterbox
status display for
your boxes and another to disable letterbox status
display for boxes placed
by others."
Letterboxers aren't forced to use the status function.
Those who want to can. It shouldn't have a negative
affect on those who don't.
JARS
--- SpringChick wrote:
---------------------------------
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, JARS
wrote:
>
> Why would you like to remove the "last found" and
> "history" feature? Why are they a problem for you?
>
> JARS
Letterboxing.org was meant to be a CLUE site -- a
central place for
people to post clues so other letterboxers can find
them. Period.
Job done.
It was not ever intended to be a place where people
can "count"
their finds and placements, etc. Those features were
only recently
added and while many find them to be in some way
useful, many others
think they don't have a place on a CLUE site. I know
there are some
who feel the site, particularly before the logging
feature, was
quite primitive and simple. Believe it or not, that
was one of the
things we liked about it -- no frills. It had a
specific purpose --
to house clues. It filled that purpose well. In its
current
configuration, it has in my opinion, grown not only
beyond its
original intent, but also beyond its place in the
game.
I would have to agree with previous posters on the
counting issue --
if you really must count, just use tick marks in your
log book --
how much easier can you get -- one stamp, one find...
I don't know
how you could possibly get an accurate count off the
LbNA site
anyway as there are so many letterboxes not even
listed there.
SpringChick
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Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
But others do. Each to their own.
Web sites evolve as web features become available.
It's the nature of the web. Some think it's for the
better some don't. Those who prefer the simplest form
can still use the LBNA site in that manner.
As Choi pointed out in an earlier message about the
site:
"There are already preferences for those that don't
want to get into the find
history info. There's one setting to disable letterbox
status display for
your boxes and another to disable letterbox status
display for boxes placed
by others."
Letterboxers aren't forced to use the status function.
Those who want to can. It shouldn't have a negative
affect on those who don't.
JARS
--- SpringChick
---------------------------------
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, JARS
wrote:
>
> Why would you like to remove the "last found" and
> "history" feature? Why are they a problem for you?
>
> JARS
Letterboxing.org was meant to be a CLUE site -- a
central place for
people to post clues so other letterboxers can find
them. Period.
Job done.
It was not ever intended to be a place where people
can "count"
their finds and placements, etc. Those features were
only recently
added and while many find them to be in some way
useful, many others
think they don't have a place on a CLUE site. I know
there are some
who feel the site, particularly before the logging
feature, was
quite primitive and simple. Believe it or not, that
was one of the
things we liked about it -- no frills. It had a
specific purpose --
to house clues. It filled that purpose well. In its
current
configuration, it has in my opinion, grown not only
beyond its
original intent, but also beyond its place in the
game.
I would have to agree with previous posters on the
counting issue --
if you really must count, just use tick marks in your
log book --
how much easier can you get -- one stamp, one find...
I don't know
how you could possibly get an accurate count off the
LbNA site
anyway as there are so many letterboxes not even
listed there.
SpringChick
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
RE: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Mosey (PonyExpressMail@comcast.net) |
Date: 2005-11-01 06:39:11 UTC-06:00
Sorry if my parenting style clashes with yours. I guess I should have put
in the "ymmv" disclaimer.
I took what seemed to work well for my parents and carried it thru to the
generation after mine, and am now using it in babysitting the generation
after that. It works for me.
ymmv of course
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
marthastewartletterboxer
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:26 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
I understand, I did my best parenting before I had kids too.....
With a nod to Jerry Scott.
Nisha
in the "ymmv" disclaimer.
I took what seemed to work well for my parents and carried it thru to the
generation after mine, and am now using it in babysitting the generation
after that. It works for me.
ymmv of course
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
marthastewartletterboxer
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:26 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
I understand, I did my best parenting before I had kids too.....
With a nod to Jerry Scott.
Nisha
Re: [LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-11-01 04:45:43 UTC-08:00
Call me crazy but I think that is also part of the game. The box may or may not be there when I hunt it. I hunt at my own risk. We discuss these on our local chat list to see if anyone has any info re:the placer. I also have to agree with Springchick re: LBNA. While I think Choi and all of the webmasters have done a great job and work very hard to give (most) people what they want, I really don't like counters, flags, etc. I have disabled the status display for my boxes. If fewer people hunt them I am fine with that, that's certainly their choice. I am grateful that at least I have that choice. I don't use Atlasquest much either, although it's a fine site, I don't feel like doing alll of the work that one could do one there if they were into counting everything electronically. My boxes are listed there for those folks who prefer that site but I'll never log my finds. That's too much like work. I just jot down numbers once or twice a year in my log book to get a feel for where I'm at.
I do understand I am in the minority and lot's of folks enjoy the high tech approach to letterboxing, I'm just not one of them. I also think it's healthy to not be successful now and then when hunting a box. We must learn how to handle disappointment without letting it ruin our day. When I first started boxing I had a lousy hunt/find ratio but it was in the failures I built my skill set. I also feel I learned how to enjoy the simple pleasure of just being outside and not let a little disappointment ruin my day. For me, letterboxing is best in it's simplest form. JMHO
JARS wrote:
I think it's inconsiderate to not let people know that
a box has repeatedly been reported as attempted and
that the hider is unable to confirm if the box is
there. There are plenty of absentee hiders out there
who for whatever reason plant a box or 2 and then
disappear from letterboxing. If the hider does not
respond, at least finders can let each other know that
boxes are likely missing by using the attempted
feature.
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I do understand I am in the minority and lot's of folks enjoy the high tech approach to letterboxing, I'm just not one of them. I also think it's healthy to not be successful now and then when hunting a box. We must learn how to handle disappointment without letting it ruin our day. When I first started boxing I had a lousy hunt/find ratio but it was in the failures I built my skill set. I also feel I learned how to enjoy the simple pleasure of just being outside and not let a little disappointment ruin my day. For me, letterboxing is best in it's simplest form. JMHO
JARS
I think it's inconsiderate to not let people know that
a box has repeatedly been reported as attempted and
that the hider is unable to confirm if the box is
there. There are plenty of absentee hiders out there
who for whatever reason plant a box or 2 and then
disappear from letterboxing. If the hider does not
respond, at least finders can let each other know that
boxes are likely missing by using the attempted
feature.
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[LbNA] Re: LbNA Find Counters - do we need another one?
From: Brian, Ryan & Lori (teamgreendragon2003@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-11-01 14:47:50 UTC
Letterboxers aren't forced to use the status function.
Those who want to can. It shouldn't have a negative
affect on those who don't.
JARS
What you are saying is true to a point. But doesn't not using the
feature send a message as well? A message I don't want to send.
Brian
TeamGreenDragon
Those who want to can. It shouldn't have a negative
affect on those who don't.
JARS
What you are saying is true to a point. But doesn't not using the
feature send a message as well? A message I don't want to send.
Brian
TeamGreenDragon